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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 26, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5

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Post by shokushuko on Jan 26, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5

I can give you the excuse of "It's ATB" even though you've only had a weak experience of it, but since when does the fact that something is Final Fantasy mean anything? Or is that supposed to be in the same logic of a Pepsi fan rejecting anything sponsored by Coca Cola? I guess you can be a brand snob, but Square Enix is a single company now <_<

I also think that calling it 'overhyped' is inaccurate. Something can only be overhyped if it fails as a game. It's the kind of thing that only applies to a newly released game that had great reviews and advertising but turned out to be a piece of shit. You can't call an old game that had great success for it's time, 'overhyped'. You can only say that it's not your thing, and that's only if you've actually played the game.

I've been playing Dragon Warrior 7 recently. If someone wants to claim that it's story is better than Final Fantasy 4 to 9 (which were all released before DQ7), I'm prepared to laugh in their face. It's a matter of taste in some respects, but it's a lost cause trying to suggest that the plot of Final Fantasy 7 is weak.

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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 26, 2012 17:22:32 GMT -5

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Post by Kalisiin Kumaki on Jan 26, 2012 17:22:32 GMT -5

Jan 26, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5 @shokushuko said:

I can give you the excuse of "It's ATB" even though you've only had a weak experience of it, but since when does the fact that something is Final Fantasy mean anything? Or is that supposed to be in the same logic of a Pepsi fan rejecting anything sponsored by Coca Cola? I guess you can be a brand snob, but Square Enix is a single company now <_<

I also think that calling it 'overhyped' is inaccurate. Something can only be overhyped if it fails as a game. It's the kind of thing that only applies to a newly released game that had great reviews and advertising but turned out to be a piece of shit. You can't call an old game that had great success for it's time, 'overhyped'. You can only say that it's not your thing, and that's only if you've actually played the game.

I've been playing Dragon Warrior 7 recently. If someone wants to claim that it's story is better than Final Fantasy 4 to 9 (which were all released before DQ7), I'm prepared to laugh in their face. It's a matter of taste in some respects, but it's a lost cause trying to suggest that the plot of Final Fantasy 7 is weak.

Again, this is NOT the first place where I have heard that FF7's plot was full of holes.
Strider and I, I believe can peacefully agree to disagree on other aspects of this game.

I'm not sure WE can Shoku, since you seem to exist only to disagree with me. Well, continue on if you must, Shuko...because you'll be fighting a paper tiger, I'm done hassling with you.

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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 26, 2012 18:16:35 GMT -5

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Post by Warlock on Jan 26, 2012 18:16:35 GMT -5

Jan 26, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5 @shokushuko said:

I've been playing Dragon Warrior 7 recently. If someone wants to claim that it's story is better than Final Fantasy 4 to 9 (which were all released before DQ7), I'm prepared to laugh in their face. It's a matter of taste in some respects, but it's a lost cause trying to suggest that the plot of Final Fantasy 7 is weak.

Well, for what it's worth: I'm not a huge Dragon Quest fan, but I've played through a number of them including DQ7. It's probably the weakes of the ones I've played- the others are, if nothing else, more succinct. Dragon Quest 7 just feels like it drags on and on.

If you want to try out the series, I reccommend the Dragon Quest 4 and 5 remakes on the DS. Dragon Quest 9 on the DS is good, too. Although it's possible to sink huge amounts of time into doing absolutely everything, the 'main game' is only about 50-60 hours.

Dragon Quest is the comfort food of console RPGs- the series doesn't take a lot of risks or change things up that much, but they're fun and well-built.

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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 26, 2012 19:47:12 GMT -5

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Jan 26, 2012 18:16:35 GMT -5 Warlock said:

Jan 26, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5 @shokushuko said:

I've been playing Dragon Warrior 7 recently. If someone wants to claim that it's story is better than Final Fantasy 4 to 9 (which were all released before DQ7), I'm prepared to laugh in their face. It's a matter of taste in some respects, but it's a lost cause trying to suggest that the plot of Final Fantasy 7 is weak.

Well, for what it's worth: I'm not a huge Dragon Quest fan, but I've played through a number of them including DQ7. It's probably the weakes of the ones I've played- the others are, if nothing else, more succinct. Dragon Quest 7 just feels like it drags on and on.

If you want to try out the series, I reccommend the Dragon Quest 4 and 5 remakes on the DS. Dragon Quest 9 on the DS is good, too. Although it's possible to sink huge amounts of time into doing absolutely everything, the 'main game' is only about 50-60 hours.

Dragon Quest is the comfort food of console RPGs- the series doesn't take a lot of risks or change things up that much, but they're fun and well-built.

- HC

DQ7 can, yes, drag on and on...because of learning all the skills and so on...but a bigger problem with DQ7 is that there is a game-killer in there.
When you are at the area where the pond fills up...if you do that before getting a shard that exists in that area...you can't ever get that shard later, short of hacking it in. It is a game-killer. And they never picked up on it.

As to the remakes...DQ4 remake is great...DQ5 remake is pretty good, but the local dialects are overdone and get annoying...plus, if you ever played the ORIGINAL DQ5...translated, of course...to do this you need the ROM, lol...but...DQ5's remake left me wanting more of the structure of the original, but it was still pretty good.

I think DQ9 on the DS is awesome, and, yeah....the main story is about 50-100 hours depending on how much grinding you feel like doing...I finished the main story in over 200 - because I was grinding and doing grottos even before the main game was done.

I'm now up to over 1350 hours on DQ9, because I do not yet have the level of completion I wanted when I started out - and getting it is a grand-royal biatch...only for those hard-core DQ players is completion in this game...and you have to know about a number of "cheats" to help you out - specifically, the Hoimi Table.

I have found myself enjoying every DQ game I have played...never had the opportunity to play DQ 8 as I do not have the correct console, and am not able to emulate it on my portable devices, either.

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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 27, 2012 1:37:02 GMT -5

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Post by shokushuko on Jan 27, 2012 1:37:02 GMT -5

Since you previously admitted to only being exposed to Dragon Quest forums, it's no surprise that you've heard lots of butthurt fanboys whine about Final Fantasy. It's really just brand loyalty. There are no great holes in Final Fantasy 7 and generally there's more depth to Final Fantasy game plots than the basic plot of Dragon Quest games.

I'm not trying to disagree with you. You just say a lot of irrational things and make a lot of flawed statements. I'm just not being passive. You really shouldn't say anything in a discussion that you're not willing to discuss. There are times when we do agree, but since you focus on the negatives, you fail to notice it.

I've played Dragon Quest on GBC, watched a great deal of Dragon Quest 2. Played most of, and possibly passed the GBC version of Dragon Quest 3, played a decent amount of Dragon Quest 5, and some of 6. Even played some of Dragon Quest 9.

Your favourite was DQ5 right? That never really amazed me. It was fun enough to play, but the plot was just straight foward and basic. I'd say that about all good Dragon Quest games. They're fun enough to play but as Strider said, they're comfort food games. It seems ludicrous to criticise the story of Final Fantasy games when they usually have a deeper story than Dragon Quest games.

Dragon Quest 9 is a good game and it's story seems nice, but it's really just the gameplay and features that carry it. The story is average, and your party might as well be absent from the whole plot.

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Final Fantasy 7 General Jan 27, 2012 8:29:50 GMT -5

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Post by Kalisiin Kumaki on Jan 27, 2012 8:29:50 GMT -5

Jan 27, 2012 1:37:02 GMT -5 @shokushuko said:

Since you previously admitted to only being exposed to Dragon Quest forums, it's no surprise that you've heard lots of butthurt fanboys whine about Final Fantasy. It's really just brand loyalty. There are no great holes in Final Fantasy 7 and generally there's more depth to Final Fantasy game plots than the basic plot of Dragon Quest games.

I'm not trying to disagree with you. You just say a lot of irrational things and make a lot of flawed statements. I'm just not being passive. You really shouldn't say anything in a discussion that you're not willing to discuss. There are times when we do agree, but since you focus on the negatives, you fail to notice it.

I've played Dragon Quest on GBC, watched a great deal of Dragon Quest 2. Played most of, and possibly passed the GBC version of Dragon Quest 3, played a decent amount of Dragon Quest 5, and some of 6. Even played some of Dragon Quest 9.

Your favourite was DQ5 right? That never really amazed me. It was fun enough to play, but the plot was just straight foward and basic. I'd say that about all good Dragon Quest games. They're fun enough to play but as Strider said, they're comfort food games. It seems ludicrous to criticise the story of Final Fantasy games when they usually have a deeper story than Dragon Quest games.

Dragon Quest 9 is a good game and it's story seems nice, but it's really just the gameplay and features that carry it. The story is average, and your party might as well be absent from the whole plot.

Well, again, I disagree with you, and we are going to leave it at that. I refuse to continue to discuss ANYTHING with you, shuko, since you seem to live to disagree with me and annoy me. there ARE limits to my tolerance, shuko, and you're up against them.

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